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Persecution gives Christians a chance to shout-out to the LORD God how much you love Him, by enduring more than the worldly common.
Persecution gives us a chance to prove our love and following of Jesus Christ, as we endeavor to do it His Way, in spite of our human desires for retribution and attack.
Persecution makes a fertile ground for spiritual growth to be increased at a higher rate, as lessons of God are frequently inserted within the drama.
Persecution shouts to the persecutors the witness of Jesus Christ, and your willingness to endure in showing His love!
Christians must maintain harmony
Christians should maintain harmony with other religions and people of other faiths. Not everyone has the same convictions or values as that of Christians.
Especially Pentecostals and other extreme groups that call themselves Christians , please do not unnecessarily provoke people in the name of evangelisation. Be tactful and gentle as Paul and the apostles were. Share your beliefs with those willing to listen, and please do not insult other religions or people, if you don't agree with other religions let us not discuss about them.
Live and let live.
Vistor: I am glad that you
Vistor: I am glad that you are an Ex Hindu and came to know the
Lord Jesus.
Your statement " I am having an hatred towards Pentecostals" makes
me totally confused. How, being a Christian, you can hate anybody?
Which are the fruits of the spirit? Which Pentecostal denomination
caused you this hatred and pain?
The main denominations are India Pentecostal (Kumbanadu, Kerala),
Church of God (Cleveland, TN) Assembly of God (Springfield, MO)
Sharoon Pentecost (P.J. Thomas, Tiruvella, Kerala)
The Pentecost (formerly the Ceylon Pentecost), Pastor V.A. Thampi's
group from Chingavanam, Kottayam; also there are several
smaller and independent groups. Out of these main groups, the
Pentecost is the most conservative, and the Assembly of God is more
liberal. There are other Pentecostal groups in North India. I am not
sure whether Bhakta Singh was a Pentecostal Pastor, but he was
well respected all over the world for his great ministry.
I don't have any idea, where you got hurted so deeply, and now
saturated with a venomous bitterness with all the Pentecostals.
Jesus said "love your enemies" but your theology is quite contrary.
I have some friends, nationally known Hindu leaders; and they became
my friends, when I showed love and respect to them. Mahatma Gandhi
said " love all and hate none".
Mr. Visitor: I can't
Mr. Visitor:
I can't understand your logic and ultra hatred for the Pentecostals.
As I have stated earlier, I am not a spokesman for the Pentecostals
or any other denomiantion. I have commented in several Catholic
publications for their great contribution in serving the humanity through
heath care, education and evangelization. Is there anybody like Mother Teresa in the
modern history; truly displaying the compassionate heart of Jesus Christ?
I have worked with the slum people in Delhi, touched the young and
old, but I am not sure whether I can hug a child like Mother Tersea did.
You might have experienced some bad experience from certain
Pentecostal believers, and started nursing hatred towards them.
For a very long time, the mainline denominations of America kept a
distance from the Pentecostals, due to their extreme and revolutionary
doctrines of holiness in dress, ornaments; besides the teaching of
no medical treatment. But the Pentecostal movement is now marching
with the mainline denominations.
When Billy Graham invited Oral Roberts for the World evangelism
conference in Amsterdam, in 1983, that was a big bridge building
ministry of Dr. Billy Graham. God has used him to build bridges in
race relations etc.
If you can find a copy of the book " Dictionary of Pentecostal
and Charismatic Movements" written by a group of internationally
known authors (main editors are Stanley M. Burgess and Gary B. McGee),
your misunderstanding can be corrected.
The pioneer of the Pentecostal movement in India was Minnie F. Abrams,
she was a missionary from Minneapolis, Minn; reached India in 1887,
later on worked with Pandita Ramabai (Mukti Mission) at Kedgaon.
God used them for the new Pentecostal movement in India.
The Pentecostal movement combined with the Charismatic movement
is the biggest Christian religious awakening of the modern
history. The Pentecostals belive in the speaking of tongues, then
sanctification (holiness) but the Charismatic are mainly satisfied with the
first step and other gifts associated with it, that is the main difference.
You may or may not agree with the Pentecostal believers due to some
pre-conceived notions, however, you can't hide from reality.
Even today, some of the people in the U.S., even after watching in
T.V., on many occasions the landing of man in the moon, that it is a lie.
How to convince them?
All denominations teach Sanctification and holy life
Mathew,
You may have worked in Delhi, I am an ex-Hindu who has spend more than a decade among Pentecostals AS A PENTECOSTAL. I know the depth of different religions. Your claim that "Charismatics" focus only on the first step is wrong. Utterly and completely wrong. Rejected and out it goes of the argument.
The FIRST STEP to salvation Mathew is FAITH. Faith in Jesus Christ. The thief on the cross didn't have much works to show, yet only by FAITH he declared" Jesus as Lord". By Faith that thief was saved.
Second, by Faith alone can one please God. The FRUITS of Faith is a regenerated spirit and mind and soul. It is a process that takes a life time. Sanctification is through Faith alone it is the finished work of the Cross that guarantees a man salvation. this 2nd, 3rd, 4th step etc etc, is not required.
Faith and by FAITH ALONE is one saved in Jesus Christ. Not by Pentecult screaming and rolling not he floor etc.
As far as your accusation that I have been "hurt" by Pentecostals, I have faced near death at hands of Hindus for my FAITH, forget your pentecult, its they who are going to be killed en-masse by Hindus and Muslims and every other foul religion on earth.
What is disturbing is Pentecults claiming themselves to be Christians when 90% of them in fact follow a form of Gnostic african spiritism.
PENTECOSTALISM is dangerous, demonic, aggressive, violent, spiritually threatning, hate filled, judgemental, pre-historic dirt which is right now directly attacking Hindus, attacking Muslims, attacking people's home. A Psychiatric madness that is engulfing a bunch of repressed people with low IQ and emotional caliber.
Pentecostalism has destroyed Christianity. I hope Governments and the world unites to destroy you out before you destroy other people's lives out.
That is enough love for you Mathew. Anything that highjacks Christianity and claims to be the true path, should not be treated with any kindness or mercy.
Baptists, Catholics, and other mainstream denominations know how to live a Christian life. YOU DON'T.
May God bless you and deliver you out of the demons of Azusa.
a friend
my dear brother that's what Paul says in bible ,if i preach the same then i need not to suffer whatever i am suffering. so it is the cross which the world hates and not the Pentecostalism ,because it is the only one living part of the body of Christ which speaks loudly about the Master .in your language unfortunately it has become the mouth in the body of Christ .of course christian like you has to say this same comment ,Pentecostalism never hates anybody ,it is because of the love they say what they say .because after coming out of a pit it is only Pentecosts call out loudly and say to other that there is a pit please do not pass through that way ,go this way ,but so called Christians which yo pointed enjoy others falling in that pit watching near by .i don't know which act feels you more loving. God bless you
re:-a friend
I read your comments. I am sorry, my heart is convicted and I am ready to die for conviction that Jesus Christ is Lord, and Jesus Christ has come in the Flesh (only by the Holy Spirit can I confess that as per 1 John), and I am also ready to die for my beliefs that Pentecostalism is not Christianity.
I cannot assist Pentecostals. They are not Christians. I can only help Christians who give importance to the word of God not spiritism. You Pentecostals provoke Hindus and other groups unwantedly, you should focus now in trying to live a life based on the word of God and to love Jesus Christ and live a life for Jesus Christ doing service to humanity and preaching gospel through your example,word and deed. Not super-naturalism and screaming and howling and manipulating others with prophecies and visions constantly and chasing power and anointing and miracles.
Jesus said, only a wicked generation seeks signs.
Mathew - How to convince? this is how.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. [Mathew 7:20]
And
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. -MATHEW 7:22-23
It looks like "Pentecults" are the most involved in those type of activities....since they call the mainstream churches "dead" and "religious" etc.
Looks like Jesus clearly is referring to the end times "PENTECULT" movement. Most of them go around calling Lord Lord and prophecying and casting out devil with little focus on the character, fruit or love of Jesus christ.
So how do you deal with pentecults? you deal harshly.
Mr. visitor you cannot hide from reality,
MR.MATHEW, only ONE REALITY i accept, JESUS CHRIST AND THE WORD OF GOD, and anything that DOES NOT FIT in the Word of God , I REJECT IT.
Reality wether the devil, or his Pentecostals or the Antichrist, they will BURN in the reality of Jesus Christ 's warning.
Attention Hindus - Open appeal from Christians
Dear Hindus,
There is a huge difference between Pentecostals (That often you pick fights with) and Christians (Catholics/Anglicans/Methodists etc).
The former group is more or less like a cult, without any form of authority and loosely scattered like most Islamic cults (extremists) operate, they provoke, fight , attack other religions openly, instigate and then cry persecution when they are confronted.
The latter group, is more ancient and established and continues on from the Apostles, and appointed and put in place through Apostolic succession. It is under God, but ordained by God, Eg: David blesses Solomon, Isaac blesses Jacob, and so forth, Jesus blessed the apostles, and they carry it forward to the next group under them, trained and ordained by Christ and passed on directly.
Pentecostals are not like that, they get their "power", straight from "somewhere', which they claim "heaven", and they hear "voices', that tell them to do that and this, while most of them don't even know what the gospels or epistles teach properly.
Please do not take your anger dear Hindus on us Christians, while we preach the gospel and share it peacefully , it is up to you to accept our Lord or not, pentecostals on the other hand force you , by manipulating, blackmailing etc.
While we Christians believe in Jesus as the only way to truth, we learn to live and let others live while showing the example of Christ.
Pentecostals do not, they howl, they scream, they attack, they threaten, they blackmail, they spit at others, they slander, and they attack other religions openly.
Can the Indian Government ban Pentecostal churches? and other Pente-cults ? thanks. They are disturbing public peace and harmony, they are fanatics who want to attack, control and threaten. The Pente-taliban's ultimate aim is to destroy the church.
We Christians must oppose Pentecults and denounce them, due to them, our churches and our people get attacked who had nothing to do with anything.
who regulates these pentecults? and way ward "pastors" and fly by night "prophets", "bro kumar, ps kumar, prophet kumar'...........
The godmen of Christianity, the jackals, the wolves, the foxes and the snakes of Christian faith. They prey upon the poor and the weak, they prey upon vulnerable people with their "prophecies and magic tricks".
Bind them and rebuke Pentecults in Jesus Christ's precious and Holy name
amen.
Mr. Visitor. For a debate
Mr. Visitor.
For a debate with you, I need to know your identity. If you are not
revealing your real identity, I am not not going to waste my time.
I have explained to you that I don't belong to a Pentecostal Church,
but I knew personally many of their leaders. My father never spoke
in tongues or rolled on the floor. You may have that experience
of rolling on the floor due to some hysteria.
Your language is turning rather vulgar " your daddy wore his diapers
and started to scream in tongues and roll on the floor...... You learn to
study some manners in writing, not to offend others.
Anyway, you have a deep hatred towards the Pentecostals. Is that
a Chrstian attitude? At first, you must get right with God. May I ask
you, are you are believer in Christ or simply trying to debate with
other people for the mere fun of debating?
Mathew- Manners
Mathew, Jesus called the false prophets of his generation as "vipers" and " sons of satan",
It is out of love, I call Pentecostals, demonized false prophets and a demonized cult. So they know their true state, and can examine themselves and come to the true gospel of Christ, they can stop screaming and rolling the ground and jumping up and down and howling like wolves in churches and learn to worship God properly in Spirit and Truth. Is it too much to ask from a Pentecostal? I invite them to accept Jesus Christ as the True Lord and Savior, and leave all the power and miracles to God to perform, instead of sealing it from God.
Is it un-christian and "hateful" to say that about Pentecostals?
Pentecostals should learn to listen to Christians instead of attacking them when confronted.
Blessings in Jesus and the peace of the Lord on you Mathew.
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